Socialism vs. Capitalism

[trev ftw]

I'm not going to go into much detail in my initial post, as it'll make things too hard for you socialists. :mamoru:

I want you to explain to me why it's "right" to steal the fruits of my labor and give it to someone who hasn't earned it by means of force.

My premise is quite simply this:
Man's nature is to serve himself. When man serves himself, he indirectly serves others. For example, a man who enjoys baking bread will bake bread; when he has a surplus, he will sale it to those who do not bake bread.

Capitalism is not only the most acceptable socio-economic form morally, but also in terms of prosperity.


Anyone who thinks the United States currently follows a socio-economic model of capitalism obviously does not know what capitalism is and should not enter this discussion.


Your turn, socialists. :greddy:

[trev ftw]

I guess there's no socialists on NN. :hsughno:

[surlybot]

I like money, so fuck Socialism.

[killafornia]

Anyone who thinks the United States currently follows a socio-economic model of capitalism obviously does not know what capitalism is and should not enter this discussion.

i hate it when people say stuff like this

the united states has never followed a direct economic model of anything, and it never will

ps get money fuck bitches

[trev ftw]

i hate it when people say stuff like this

the united states has never followed a direct economic model of anything, and it never will

ps get money fuck bitches

Aye.

Unfortunately what we're currently doing benefits corporations, etc., moreso than anything else.

Yet socialists think taxing a corporation more will make the evil corporation be nice or something.

Or maybe leave the country, and people unemployed. :hsughno:

[killafornia]

Aye.

Unfortunately what we're currently doing benefits corporations, etc., moreso than anything else.

Yet socialists think taxing a corporation more will make the evil corporation be nice or something.

Or maybe leave the country, and people unemployed. :hsughno:

id like to see the fed stop raping corps and start providing them with reasons to stay in the country to provide our people with jobs and competitive wages

on the other hand i doubt that will ever happen because theres no way in hell people here would be able to work for the comparable wage of a chinaman

what are your ideas?

[daneford]

laissez-faire capitalism > *

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[More&Faster]

laissez-faire capitalism > *

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werd. monopolies benefit everyone.

[trev ftw]

id like to see the fed stop raping corps and start providing them with reasons to stay in the country to provide our people with jobs and competitive wages

on the other hand i doubt that will ever happen because theres no way in hell people here would be able to work for the comparable wage of a chinaman

what are your ideas?

Stop labeling profit as "evil", as well as lowering taxes for corporations. Our corporate tax is higher than most socialist countries, and that's sad.

I think a lot of corporations would keep many jobs here if the taxes weren't so high. Just out of "respect". Their profit margins would increase drastically if the taxes on corporations were dropped 15%.

[trev ftw]

werd. monopolies benefit everyone.

that's corporatism.

laissez-fairre capitalism isn't what happened when Standard Oil was around & all that.

in fact.. it's never really happened. :eek3:

[killafornia]

Stop labeling profit as "evil", as well as lowering taxes for corporations. Our corporate tax is higher than most socialist countries, and that's sad.

I think a lot of corporations would keep many jobs here if the taxes weren't so high. Just out of "respect". Their profit margins would increase drastically if the taxes on corporations were dropped 15%.

do you think the profit margin would be enough for them to offset the cost of doing business in the states versus overseas?

[More&Faster]

that's corporatism.

laissez-fairre capitalism isn't what happened when Standard Oil was around & all that.

in fact.. it's never really happened. :eek3:

in what way does laissez-fairre capitalism prevent or stifle monopolies?

[upparoom]

Stop labeling profit as "evil", as well as lowering taxes for corporations. Our corporate tax is higher than most socialist countries, and that's sad.

I think a lot of corporations would keep many jobs here if the taxes weren't so high. Just out of "respect". Their profit margins would increase drastically if the taxes on corporations were dropped 15%.

there are a number of reasons so many jobs/companies are moving overseas.

Taxes is one, unions increasing wage and benefits costs, American worker's sense of entitlement, lawsuit happy people looking to get rich quick.

Look at General Motors as a big example of that. Its costing them $77/hour for each and every employee when you count salary, benefits, retirement, etc..

Why should they stay here when it would cost $12/hour in some Chinese factory, if that much.

[trev ftw]

do you think the profit margin would be enough for them to offset the cost of doing business in the states versus overseas?

Yes, I do.

Especially when we're talking billions of dollars. Will corporations still build offices/factories, etc., overseas? Yeah, of course. I think it's delusional to think otherwise.

But one way to get them to keep jobs here to lessen restrictions AND taxes on them.

[trev ftw]

there are a number of reasons so many jobs/companies are moving overseas.

Taxes is one, unions increasing wage and benefits costs, American worker's sense of entitlement, lawsuit happy people looking to get rich quick.

Look at General Motors as a big example of that. Its costing them $77/hour for each and every employee when you count salary, benefits, retirement, etc..

Why should they stay here when it would cost $12/hour in some Chinese factory, if that much.

I agree.

Although I'd rather unions do some fighting than the government. If the employees of a company wish to protest their company for more wages, etc., then I fully support that. I am very against minimum wage and other government forced benefits, etc., though.

Lawsuit happy people piss me off. They don't realize it just jacks up the prices. Like John Edwards.. "LOL I FOUGHT FOR THE LITTLE GUY BY SUING EVERYONE LOL". O rly? You just jacked up prices higher, you idiot fuck.

[JACK OFF JILL]

Is it our fault that there are lots of fuckin' lazy bastards who don't want to work hard?

[6SpeedTA95]

The US definately isn't 100% capitalism...but are you saying that pure capitalism works?

[trev ftw]

Is it our fault that there are lots of fuckin' lazy bastards who don't want to work hard?

If by "our" you mean socialists, then I'd say partially.

Do you think feeding a coke addict cocaine will cure their addiction or make it worse?

Likewise, do you think handing a lazy bastard money/benefits/entitlements will make him work or sit around and collect the shit without effort?

[trev ftw]

The US definately isn't 100% capitalism...but are you saying that pure capitalism works?

There's never been a purely capitalist society, so to say yay or nay is purely speculation.

Hong Kong is the most capitalist economy in the world, and it does pretty fucking well for itself.

[17%]

if people were better, i'd vote for socialism.

since people are not, capitalism works better.

[6SpeedTA95]

There's never been a purely capitalist society, so to say yay or nay is purely speculation.

Hong Kong is the most capitalist economy in the world, and it does pretty fucking well for itself.
Thats the same arguement the die hard communist use. 100% communism and 100% captitalism dont work, period. Although of the two I'd rather have capitalism.

[trev ftw]

Thats the same arguement the die hard communist use. 100% communism and 100% captitalism dont work, period. Although of the two I'd rather have capitalism.

i think that it'd work on smaller scales. ie., city states.

but.. i'm a darwinist, so I really have no problem with pieces of shit dying off if they can't keep up. that's a different thread, though.

[YOUR A DEAD MAN APPLES!]

im down for old school rules- TRADE

[6SpeedTA95]

i think that it'd work on smaller scales. ie., city states.

but.. i'm a darwinist, so I really have no problem with pieces of shit dying off if they can't keep up. that's a different thread, though.
Socialism on a small scale does work.

I thought we were talking about larger governments? Not some governing body that controls 1000 people.

[trev ftw]

Socialism on a small scale does work.

I thought we were talking about larger governments? Not some governing body that controls 1000 people.

I'm not talking about 1000 people.

I think capitalism could work in a country the size of say, Germany.

In China? Perhaps.

I think it's worth a shot regardless, as it's never been tried on such a large scale.

Capitalism works very well in HK. :)

[bighust]

the only problem i see is the government

[trev ftw]

the only problem i see is the government

For capitalism?

I agree for the most part.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist at heart, though. :hs: