Global Warming

[Jredrum]

Do you think Global Warming is an actual problem, or just another BS reason to make money?

[CaseLogic]

what if I'm on the fence? I do believe that our ozone is getting crappier thanks to us and our pollution. I don't think that this is affecting us yet. When it's 80 degrees in the winter and someone brings up global warming, I want to bitchslap them

[kendog]

It's getting to a point were it's getting ridiculous to deny it, actually it has been for awhile now.

Do you know how scientists plan on warming and terraforming Mars? by pumping greenhouse gases into it's atmosphere... basically setting up massive factories that pump gases into Mars' atmosphere, nearly the exact thing we're doing with our coal power plants and vehicles. That's how you warm a planet, it's no secret.

[up north trip]

um, mars' polar ice caps are presently melting at the same rate they are on earth, the same with several of jupiter's moons

the sun is going through a warming cycle, and will last for ~11 years

global warming is a reality. however, it isn't man caused. sally soccer mom isn't causing global warming on other planets

[YoKramer]

If global warming is such a problem then why have we had record snow fall in the US this year and it snowed in the mutherfuckingmiddleeast

[YoKramer]

On a more serious note. What do you think about the poles shifting?

[Jredrum]

On a more serious note. What do you think about the poles shifting?
dec. 21st 2012 flip flop

[kendog]

um, mars' polar ice caps are presently melting at the same rate they are on earth, the same with several of jupiter's moons

the sun is going through a warming cycle, and will last for ~11 years

global warming is a reality. however, it isn't man caused. sally soccer mom isn't causing global warming on other planets

Recently, there have been some suggestions that "global warming" has been observed on Mars (e.g. here). These are based on observations of regional change around the South Polar Cap, but seem to have been extended into a "global" change, and used by some to infer an external common mechanism for global warming on Earth and Mars (e.g. here and here). But this is incorrect reasoning and based on faulty understanding of the data.

The shrinkage of the Martian South Polar Cap is almost certainly a regional climate change, and is not any indication of global warming trends in the Martian atmosphere. Colaprete et al in Nature 2005 (subscription required) showed, using the Mars GCM, that the south polar climate is unstable due to the peculiar topography near the pole, and the current configuration is on the instability border; we therefore expect to see rapid changes in ice cover as the regional climate transits between the unstable states.

There is a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth…

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/

[kendog]

If global warming is such a problem then why have we had record snow fall in the US this year and it snowed in the mutherfuckingmiddleeast

That's more of a weather anomaly than anything to do with climate.

[YoKramer]

That's more of a weather anomaly than anything to do with climate.

What about the fact that the 4 major weather sites that say that the global climate has gone DOWN in the last 12 months.

[kendog]

What about the fact that the 4 major weather sites that say that the global climate has gone DOWN in the last 12 months.

Gone down in comparison to what?

According to the National Climate Data Center:

The year 2007 the 10th warmest year for the contiguous U.S., since national records began in 1895, according to preliminary data from NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. The year was marked by exceptional drought in the U.S. Southeast and the West, which helped fuel another extremely active wildfire season. The year also brought outbreaks of cold air, and killer heat waves and floods. Meanwhile, the global surface temperature for 2007 was the fifth warmest since records began in 1880.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/2007/ann/ann07.html

[Nitroholic]

climate change bro, not global warming

[kendog]

If global warming is such a problem then why have we had record snow fall in the US this year and it snowed in the mutherfuckingmiddleeast

As temperature increases, more moisture is stored in the atmosphere. This results in increased precipitation, which can be in the form of snow.

[trev ftw]

Global warming is real, yes. No, we did not cause it. It's a natural cycle.

It's another political scare. Anyone who cannot see that is merely naive.


... that doesn't mean that I disagree with major changes as far as more enviromentally friendly stuff, etc. But the facts are the facts.

And the facts aren't what comes from political bodies with an agenda.

[trev ftw]

ibmorescientistssayitsourfaultsoitsright

Most Americans believe in the tooth fairy and God, too.

Neither of which are real, nor can be proven to exist with scientific data.

Apples to oranges? Sure. But still the same idea.

[Bent]

Most of the people who clain to be 'critical thinkers' seem to swallow the "green agenda" hook, line, and sinker.


Then laugh at us "doubters". Fucking lemmings.

[Yop]

Its not man made, but I'm sure we aren't helping with killing off ozone.

[trev ftw]

Most of the people who clain to be 'critical thinkers' seem to swallow the "green agenda" hook, line, and sinker.


Then laugh at us "doubters". Fucking lemmings.

:werd:

[Binary Soldier]

Doesn't snow here in the UK any more, and now we have 2 to 4 floods a year, previously it was once every 25 years.

[kendog]

List of organizations that accept anthropogenic warming as real and scientifically well supported:

* NASA's Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
* National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
* Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
* National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
* State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) - http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_future_e.cfm
* Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
* The Royal Society of the UK (RS) - http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=3135
* American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html
* American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
* American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
* National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
* American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies.html
* Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html

Endorses works and conclusion of IPCC

* Academia Brasiliera de Ciencias (Brazil)
* Royal Society of Canada
* Chinese Academy of Sciences
* Academie des Sciences (France)
* Deutsche Akademie der Naturforscher Leopoldina (Germany)
* Indian National Science Academy
* Accademia dei Lincei (Italy)
* Science Council of Japan
* Russian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Society (United Kingdom)
* National Academy of Sciences (United States of America)

* Australian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Flemish Academy of Belgium for Sciences and the Arts
* Caribbean Academy of Sciences
* Indonesian Academy of Sciences
* Royal Irish Academy
* Academy of Sciences Malaysia
* Academy Council of the Royal Society of New Zealand
* Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

But if scientists are too liberal and politicians too unreliable, perhaps you find the opinion of key industry representatives more convincing:

* BP, the largest oil company in the UK and one of the largest in the world, has this opinion:

There is an increasing consensus that climate change is linked to the consumption of carbon based fuels and that action is required now to avoid further increases in carbon emissions as the global demand for energy increases.

* Shell Oil (yes, as in oil, the fossil fuel) says:

Shell shares the widespread concern that the emission of greenhouse gases from human activities is leading to changes in the global climate.

* Eighteen CEOs of Canada's largest corporations had this to say in an open letter to the Prime Minister of Canada:

Our organizations accept that a strong response is required to the strengthening evidence in the scientific assessments of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). We accept the IPCC consensus that climate change raises the risk of severe consequences for human health and security and the environment. We note that Canada is particularly vulnerable to the impacts of climate change.

Have the environazis seized the reigns of industrial power, in addition to infiltrating the U.N., the science academies of every developed nation, and the top research institutes of North America? That just doesn't seem very likely.

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/11/11/23656/027

[kendog]

Doubters come? I have more ammo than you.

[Kinks]

The thing that I find amusing is that in the 1970's they thought we were about to have an ice age.

Also, climate scientists these days have a vested interest in saying there is global warming. That's not to say that they are producing blatant crooked reports, but if you study something as complex as the Earth you can find PLENTY of indicators that there is global warming. You can also find plenty that say it's inconclusive, but who wants to listen to that.

Bottom line, so called "carbon credits" and carbon trading are just money-making shams. I support the idea that we should treat our environment well, and minimise the amount of CO2 we pump into the air.. but jumping on the bandwagon is only doing a partial good.

[Jredrum]

Doubters come? I have more ammo than you.

Copy/Pasting isn't ammo :oopsie:

[kendog]

The thing that I find amusing is that in the 1970's they thought we were about to have an ice age.

Also, climate scientists these days have a vested interest in saying there is global warming. That's not to say that they are producing blatant crooked reports, but if you study something as complex as the Earth you can find PLENTY of indicators that there is global warming. You can also find plenty that say it's inconclusive, but who wants to listen to that.

Bottom line, so called "carbon credits" and carbon trading are just money-making shams. I support the idea that we should treat our environment well, and minimise the amount of CO2 we pump into the air.. but jumping on the bandwagon is only doing a partial good.

The 70's cooling talk was based off a few articles such as Newsweek that ran with the theme and a book I think. It didn't even come close to comparing to the consensus today, not even close. In fact, there are people who actually looked it up and found that even back then there were actually MORE articles about global warming than global cooling...

http://ams.confex.com/ams/pdfpapers/131047.pdf

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/03/the-global-cooling-mole/#more-536

About the making money part, I would think there would be easier ways to make money if that's what it's all about.

[kendog]

Copy/Pasting isn't ammo :oopsie:

lol, I wrote that comment when I was drunk last night. Ive copy/pasted most but it's still quality sources with accurate info.