anyone interested in setting up a movie rating system?

[nameless]

on another forum i go to, we have a movie section. when we watch a movie we write up a little review on it and rate it out of a scale of 1-5. i made us some graphics for the movie ratings. i'd be willing to make some images for us to use here if any one is interested.

we can flesh out the details if there is interest.

[TK]

i'm in for this, kinda. What sort of movies would we be reviewing, anything we could get our hot little hands on? It would probably be more reasonable to review only obscure movies that the majority of people haven't even heard about to begin searching it on imdb. Any clue on how the indexing system would work?

Would you mind posting the website where you got the idea from?

I think this would work better for tv shows since, there are less of them and imdb doesn't quite have the same extensive coverage over tv shows.

[tedistkrieg]

Im down for this


post some more information, the link to the other forum....I pass it along to nakon

[nameless]

here's what i was thinking.

since this forum covers tv and movies we come up with a scale that works for both. i like keeping it simple. 1 to 5 stars (we can come up with something better than stars. NNpoints or something!) we watch a show/movie and we write up a little review on it and rate it. it will be neat to see how different people review and present their reviews. i don't think we should FOCUS on obscure films but we certainly shouldn't shy away from them. at the start i'm sure it will be just us 3 doing this, but eventually i'd like to open it up to everyone. anyone that wants to review a film should.

we can make a posting/reviewing guideline and sticky it.

we need to be sure NOT to have spoilers in the reviews. this is the most important thing. so i propose each review consists of two parts. the review, which everyone reads, and then an opinion section (inside a spoiler tag) where you talk about your thoughts and opinions on the movie for those that have already seen it.

i really think this could work and draw people into this forum. as long as the reviews are solid and we stick the rules. nothing will make people run faster than the fear that clicking a thread will ruin a movie they want to see.

what do you guys think? i would be more than willing to hook us up with some graphic work so that our reviews look nice and neat (and more inviting).

[TK]

i guess i'll give it a shot. How would we be presenting out reviews, just the same in forum format. That's what i don't really understand. Also how will multiple reviews for the same movie/tv show work. If you could give me the link to the other forum it would help me wrap my head around this idea

[nameless]

i guess i'll give it a shot. How would we be presenting out reviews, just the same in forum format. That's what i don't really understand. Also how will multiple reviews for the same movie/tv show work. If you could give me the link to the other forum it would help me wrap my head around this idea

well the other forum is where i got the idea from but as far as execution i'm really the only one that did it. that forum just isn't busy enough but let me make a sample post to show you what i mean.

basically, anyone can review any movie/show they want. what i would suggest is that, when you go to review a movie just make sure someone hasn't already reviewed it. if we hold to a naming convention for the thread titles it should be super easy to search for a review already written. even if the review is 2 years old (eventually!) it would still be cool to bump it with your review. that's the beauty of good filmmaking ... it doesn't really ever get old :)

i will make my next post an example of what i'm talking about. give me a few minutes to prepare it.

[nameless]

OK. thread title would be like this:

**REVIEW** Shoot Em' Up (2007) **REVIEW**

and the post would look like this:
(these images are from the other forum so they have a different color bg, but you get my point!) :)

http://www.robbpage.com/images/threads/3.jpg
http://www.robbpage.com/images/threads/shootemup.jpg

very entertaining. it's basically a spoof of action movies. everything is extremely over the top but as long as you know that, it's a fun movie. there are some nice gunfights. not very realistic of course, but cool.

plus it's got monica bellucci.

whatever spoilers you wanted to talk about from the movie would be hidden. that way, people that just want to know if people LIKE the movie can not have to worry about having the movie spoiled. obviously we can't stop ALL spoilers as some people just get off on it, but we can do our best and i think ppl will follow suite. this gives those of us that have seen the movie a way to talk about it without ruining it for everyone. it's a little extra work but i think it would be easy enough.

[twism50]

I'd be willing to contribute to this as well, sounds like a great idea

[TK]

I like the general idea that you have, and the idea of reviewing, i'm just not really sure it would work on this forum. We don't have enough traffic or reputation for anyone to actually want to read/search for our reviews on a movie that the viewer might see. People go to imdb for that.

What i think would be a lot more successful is if only the best of the best movies are reviewed. Since everyone has their own opinion and some general taste we could get a wide range of solid movies. No shoot em up(hate to pick on it since i've never seen it), movies like oldboy, twelve monkeys, equilibrium, lock stock and two smoking barrels or full metal jacket(a few of my favourites). Movies that a person may have missed or overlooked, but don't deserve to be ignored. Television too. Movies like this are reviewed and nn recommended. A recommended movie list would also be updated and stickied which links to the individual threads of reviews. I think i would get far more use out of this than just reviews for random movies. Also, I like the idea of looking at other users favourites to make my movie selection for the night, since i assume you guys have similar tastes to mine, basically that john tucker must die isn't the greatest movie ever.

Iunno what do you think?

[nameless]

i think we can turn this into a place people come specifically TO read movie reviews. and once they do that maybe they will check out the other sections. traffic is traffic and there is an unlimited supply out there. we just gotta hook em' in and i think this is a great way to do so.

i like the idea of having a sticky for MUST SEE type movies. i'm ALL about reviewing great films that people might have missed. sure we can still review current movies but i'd really like to see people writing up reviews for movies they LOVE. that shit would be great. that's why i like to put the date in parenthesis by the movie title.

there is a LOT of potential here. i don't want you guys to feel like i'm trying to monopolize the setup of this. we should hear everyones ideas to make it as good as possible.

so far i think there's only 3 or 4 of us willing to do this but i think we can make it work.

[i am brandon]

id be down for this :wavey:

[TK]

i don't think we can turn this into a place were people come specifically for movie reviews. I just don't see why anyone would want our limited reviews when places like imdb exist. That's why the recommendations thing would work so much better. I think this is more applicable for someone who makes it to the site and is browsing the subforums and notices the movie suggestions along with reviews. It is a reason to stay, not to come here in the first place.

The break videos, bigboards and other internet stunts are going to bring far more people in then reviews, but they won't make people stay, the site content will. I'm trying to aim for something that will get people to stay at the site so that they can provide more input and discussion.

I think we'll be wasting too much time and effort to make the thousands of necessary reviews to start up a reviewing forum. Reviewing newer movies as they come out is a good idea which i agree with but from what i understand, you want to create reviews on every major movie, which isn't feasible. Correct me if i am wrong here

Either way, whatever we decide, i'm going to review movies. I'm just hoping to get this idea in what i believe is the right direction.

How about the other 3 or 4 of you who are going to review movies too? What do you think?

[nameless]

but from what i understand, you want to create reviews on every major movie, which isn't feasible. Correct me if i am wrong here

that's not what i mean :) i just meant we review movies. whatever you watch and feel like reviewing throw up a review for. we don't need to review EVERYTHING. if you watch a movie (new or not) and feel like writing up a review, go for it. the last thing we want is this to become WORK.

i was thinking more along the lines of making the REVIEWS fun to read. that's what will get people. i don't want to write a review and discuss the tiny details about what the key grip does. that's boring (for most people). i was thinking we write reviews in the vain of "damn this movie was sweet!" rather than "what a phenomenal motion picture."

[TK]

fair enough, i just think that the review system won't really be used if someone wants to find a review of a movie they plan on watching and half the time we don't have one. That's why i believe narrowing it down to new movies and must sees is the way to go, use imdb for the millions of older movies and use nn for reviews of all the newer movies along with read their recommended movie list. Noone will use the system if they can only occasionally find reviews of the movies they are searching.

I think this is a great idea by all means but with the 4 of us reviewing we aren't going to make much progress by sporadically reviewing movies. Once this picks up, and we get new members, by all means start expanding to all movies, like how you were describing the system. I just think you are being too ambitious with the random assortment of movies. We should start this small with a narrowed movie criteria and then eventually make a move once this gets established.

I don't think i'm being too crazy or pessimistic here:dunno:, tell me if i am.

[nameless]

i see what you're saying. i agree.

we don't need to iron out every little detail. this can be a WiP type thing :)

let's do this. let's spend the next couple days coming up with our lists of "must see" movies. come up with as many as we can and compare our lists. we can then combine them and create a master list and then decide what to review and just go with it. it will get us started and we can iron out all the details as we move along.

sound good?

[TK]

sounds perfect. I don't have a lot of free time till the weekend. I'll put together my list of must sees later tonight or tomorrow, then i'll write reviews when i get some time. I assume we are going to keep the same naming and review outline as your previous example. Hope everyone else is on board with this idea.

Should we wait until starting up the official thread until we have a few reviews or should we just go at it?

[nameless]

sounds perfect. I don't have a lot of free time till the weekend. I'll put together my list of must sees later tonight or tomorrow, then i'll write reviews when i get some time. I assume we are going to keep the same naming and review outline as your previous example. Hope everyone else is on board with this idea.

Should we wait until starting up the official thread until we have a few reviews or should we just go at it?

i like the format i posted but we can certainly make changes if anyone has other thoughts on the issue.

go ahead and start writing the reviews and when we come up with the post format you can just mass produce them :)

[tedistkrieg]

Id like to see a healthy mix of classic movies, obscure movies, and new releases

Most of my reviews (when this gets going) will probably be obscure and new releases

[Heretic]

Hey, I'm new round here but I read through and this idea really appeals to me. So if ya want any extra help I'd be happy to do it.

Couple thoughts, maybe have reviews limited to 300 words or so, or maybe 2 reviews, one short and to the point, another in-depth? Also to show review threads you could just stick [Review] in front of your topic title.

[TK]

Hey, I'm new round here but I read through and this idea really appeals to me. So if ya want any extra help I'd be happy to do it.

Couple thoughts, maybe have reviews limited to 300 words or so, or maybe 2 reviews, one short and to the point, another in-depth? Also to show review threads you could just stick [Review] in front of your topic title.

good ideas, glad to have you on board. The 300 word limit is good for the initial post and then the second post can be an in depth review of the movie if you want to write one of course.

Got my list of movies i'm planning to write about. Just need time to start writing.

[Heretic]

Cool. I threw together a rating image based off the dark theme, dunno if you guys like it but here it is if you've got suggestions:

http://i29.tinypic.com/nb28k.jpg

[tedistkrieg]

Cool. I threw together a rating image based off the dark theme, dunno if you guys like it but here it is if you've got suggestions:

http://i29.tinypic.com/nb28k.jpg
I like it

[nameless]

http://i29.tinypic.com/nb28k.jpg

i like it. i would ditch the text. it distracts. if ppl can't figure out what it means they've got bigger problems than we can worry about :) can you make it a png so it has a transparent bg and we can use it for any theme that may or may not eventually make it's way to these boards :)

also do you have a server to host the images?

[brianwells]

Cool. I threw together a rating image based off the dark theme, dunno if you guys like it but here it is if you've got suggestions:

http://i29.tinypic.com/nb28k.jpg

cool

[TK]

i like it. i would ditch the text. it distracts. if ppl can't figure out what it means they've got bigger problems than we can worry about :) can you make it a png so it has a transparent bg and we can use it for any theme that may or may not eventually make it's way to these boards :)

also do you have a server to host the images?
i agree with you on the text part.

Image hosting isn't a problem, use aww-kittah-aww or nnuploads.

[Heretic]

i like it. i would ditch the text. it distracts. if ppl can't figure out what it means they've got bigger problems than we can worry about :) can you make it a png so it has a transparent bg and we can use it for any theme that may or may not eventually make it's way to these boards :)

also do you have a server to host the images?

Will do. Don't have a server but I'll use one of the ones tk biz suggested.

[cuntbutter]

id love to get in on this if possible.
i watch a shit-tonne of movies and own somwhere between 200 and 250 dvd/hd-dvd/bly-ray discs

now, would it be strictly a review of the movie itself ? or would we review the medum as well (sound/picture/features/overall presentation/packaging)
i'm a big fan of the reviews over at hometheaterforum.com. would it be more along those lines or simply "the movie was good, heres why" kind of thing.

i'm interested either way

[TK]

id love to get in on this if possible.
i watch a shit-tonne of movies and own somwhere between 200 and 250 dvd/hd-dvd/bly-ray discs

now, would it be strictly a review of the movie itself ? or would we review the medum as well (sound/picture/features/overall presentation/packaging)
i'm a big fan of the reviews over at hometheaterforum.com. would it be more along those lines or simply "the movie was good, heres why" kind of thing.

i'm interested either way
just checked out the site, it was pretty impressive that 200+ people were viewing each subforum but noone was posting. Hopefully that is something we can do better. Their reviews are great, quite detailed, intelligent and very inclusive for all movies. Unfortunately, i don't think i could make my reviews looking anything like that, i'm just straight up not smart enough. I'm going to be pumping out "the movie was good here is why" type reviews. I assume other people will still be able to get something out of them. :dunno:
If you want to analyze all the other things, go for it, i just don't really think i'm capable of all that.

[nameless]

yea i didn't really want to have reviews that focus on the technical details of movies. when i was younger i used to concern myself with things like that. now i just want to be entertained and i was planning on writing my reviews in that style. as tk biz said, i'm certainly not opposed to someone writing in that style for this site, but i won't be :)

[TK]

k, well i'm gonna get started on some today. Probably going to do oldboy, lock stock and maybe the wire(tv).

[Heretic]

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[sdrawkcab]

i think this is a great idea to stimulate readership and direct traffic over to the site. a few things:

-can anyone post a review? i like the idea of allowing others to post reviews, it keeps people interested and creates an opportunity for everyone's opinion to count. unlike other sites, where you're intimidated to post if you're not a top reviewer. if so, how will regular joes have access to the graphics? and should we post guidelines (make sure spoilers are hidden, must be 300 words, do not start a new thread for a movie that is already reviewed, etc)?

-i dont think we should be limited to any one genre of films, we all like a bunch of different stuff. and people come to this forum to have "off topic" conversations, would be against our founding principles to confine ourselves.

-i LOVE the idea of reviewing from a quality perspective like hometheatersforum.com but we don't all have the capacity or background to write reviews like that, such threads should be clearly marked. also, what other perspectives can we rate from? perhaps one of our contributers makes documentaries (and i believe there is someone) it would be great to have him/her review some new docs with his expert opinion. or if someone likes fashion, they could write reviews about how a film's costumes and accessories are inspiring.


-most of us are visual people, we should all strive to post screen shots, segments from the movie or better yet the trailer to our reviews.

-giveaways, maybe work with nakon to give away free tickets to the months top reviewer. its an added incentive to review films, but it wont make sense to initiate this until we have more readership.

i agree in that this shouldn't be crazy structured. lets have fun with this!

[TK]

i think this is a great idea to stimulate readership and direct traffic over to the site. a few things:

-can anyone post a review? i like the idea of allowing others to post reviews, it keeps people interested and creates an opportunity for everyone's opinion to count. unlike other sites, where you're intimidated to post if you're not a top reviewer. if so, how will regular joes have access to the graphics? and should we post guidelines (make sure spoilers are hidden, must be 300 words, do not start a new thread for a movie that is already reviewed, etc)?

-i dont think we should be limited to any one genre of films, we all like a bunch of different stuff. and people come to this forum to have "off topic" conversations, would be against our founding principles to confine ourselves.

-i LOVE the idea of reviewing from a quality perspective like hometheatersforum.com but we don't all have the capacity or background to write reviews like that, such threads should be clearly marked. also, what other perspectives can we rate from? perhaps one of our contributers makes documentaries (and i believe there is someone) it would be great to have him/her review some new docs with his expert opinion. or if someone likes fashion, they could write reviews about how a film's costumes and accessories are inspiring.


-most of us are visual people, we should all strive to post screen shots, segments from the movie or better yet the trailer to our reviews.

-giveaways, maybe work with nakon to give away free tickets to the months top reviewer. its an added incentive to review films, but it wont make sense to initiate this until we have more readership.

i agree in that this shouldn't be crazy structured. lets have fun with this!

Hope you will help us post reviews:bigthumb:

Yeah anyone can post reviews, i don't see why not and no one should be intimidated by any of us reviewing. My reviews certainly aren't going to be literary masterpieces with indepth shit on costumes and setting. I don't really care about that in a review and i assume noone else really has the desire to read 3,000 words on the directors personal motivation to use a certain soundtrack. I appreciate it in a movie, but my main concerns are with character and plot, possibly cinematography if i'm feeling crazy, and thats about to the extent that i'm going to review. I'm thinking my reviews will be a 300 worder, why you should or shouldn't watch movie type deal, with some pictures and maybe an imbedded trailer. I assume most viewers here will get more out of that then the long ass intimidating reviews on hometheater.

As far as specific genres go do whatever you want. For film selection though, at least while we are starting out, try to stick to either incrediably good must-sees, new(theaters or just on dvd) or obscure movies. If this gets a solid base then we can start working on all the other movies.

The guidelines will have to be outlined in a official thread once we start getting some reviews in and work out some of the larger details.

[TK]

heretic. any chance in you making a graphic for the must see recommended movies?

Or should we just use the 5 star rating

[Heretic]

heretic. any chance in you making a graphic for the must see recommended movies?

Or should we just use the 5 star rating

Let me see if I can whip something up.

[sdrawkcab]

sounds awesome, i'm in!

[TK]

thanks




so what do you NNggers think
http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=228166#post228166

critique it so i can make it better and i'll edit it as we go along

[Heretic]

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/1178/none/mw.png

so what do you NNggers think
http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?p=228166#post228166

critique it so i can make it better and i'll edit it as we go along

I would make the screenshot a clickable thumbnail, it stretches the page for me. Maybe make the review a tad bit longer, too.:bigthumb:

[nameless]

i kind of like the length. it's a nice concise snapshot of a viewers opinion on the movie, which is exactly what we should be about. find out quick and easy what we each think of the movies.

hmm. this has me thinking. on some movies i could talk forever. maybe we should put detail stuff into spoiler tags? that way, the in-depth (or spoilers) can be hidden from the people just looking for a quick breakdown. those that want to see more just have to click the tag. :dunno: what do you guys think?

[TK]

http://www.aww-kittah-aww.com/up/files/1178/none/mw.png



I would make the screenshot a clickable thumbnail, it stretches the page for me. Maybe make the review a tad bit longer, too.:bigthumb:
not sure how to do that. I'll resize in an hour. I have to step out for a bit. I agree with nameless on length, i don't want it too long to make it unreadable:dunno:

[TK]

i kind of like the length. it's a nice concise snapshot of a viewers opinion on the movie, which is exactly what we should be about. find out quick and easy what we each think of the movies.

hmm. this has me thinking. on some movies i could talk forever. maybe we should put detail stuff into spoiler tags? that way, the in-depth (or spoilers) can be hidden from the people just looking for a quick breakdown. those that want to see more just have to click the tag. :dunno: what do you guys think?

i edited up the review wth your suggestions

I think the second post would be a good space for someone to do a further in depth analysis, if they please. I know i could ramble on forever about the movies but the to the point consise review is what i think we should be aiming for, like you mentioned.

what do you think about the format? What needs to be moved around? Some stuff should be up to the writer, but other things like the title format and location of the rating should be universal.

I've got another review done that i'll sit on till this review is critiqued some more.

[Heretic]

Suggestion for format:
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Movie Name (Year) - "Optional Quote or Tagline?"
Actor, Actor, Actress, Actress
IMDB Link (http://www.imdb.com)

[Movie Cover/Poster]

[Screenshots/Trailer]

[Review]

[In-Depth, Hidden with Spoilers?]

[Rating Image]

[Heretic]

alternatively, could have the rating image as the very first thing.

[TK]

heretic you're right my formatting sucked. I changed the review, take a look at it.

If noone has problems i'll post my lock stock review later tonight.


Then we can start working on an official thread

[nameless]

i'm working on my first review. children of men. for me this movie is a must see. it's not my #1 movie but it's top 5.

for my reviews i will stick to that format that was posted for layout but i'll probably spice it up a bit with some graphical elements of my own. if you guys like how it looks when i post it, i will give you the template and you can just copy&paste and use my images. if you DON'T like the look, i will try something different on the next one, and so on, until we come up with something we all like the look/feel of.

[TK]

i'm working on my first review. children of men. for me this movie is a must see. it's not my #1 movie but it's top 5.

for my reviews i will stick to that format that was posted for layout but i'll probably spice it up a bit with some graphical elements of my own. if you guys like how it looks when i post it, i will give you the template and you can just copy&paste and use my images. if you DON'T like the look, i will try something different on the next one, and so on, until we come up with something we all like the look/feel of.
sounds good, looking forward to it. Love children of men too:bigthumb:

[nameless]

i took the liberty of writing up some rules & guidelines. i think i covered most of what we talked about. if anyone thinks of something to add (or something i missed!) let me know and we can work it in. otherwise we could just copy/paste it into the stickied post :D




Sub Forum Rules & Guidelines

Posting
- NO SPOILERS. Use the spoiler tags if you want to discuss specifics.
- Anyone Can Post. Everyone is encouraged to write their own reviews and take part in the discussions of other peoples reviews.
- Just because someone likes a movie that you hate (or vice versa), doesn't mean you should insult them. Try to keep the discussions positive.
- Search First! Before posting your review, make sure someone hasn't already posted a review for your movie. If they have, simply add your review to the thread as a reply.

Reviews
When writing your review, please stick to the guidelines below for the structure and format. It doesn't have to be exactly the same (reviewers are encouraged to put their own flavor on their reviews) but please try to stay as close to the format as possible. This will help readers become used to the format and makes it easier for them to enjoy the reviews.


FORMAT FOR REVIEWS

THREAD TITLES
example:
**REVIEW** Name of Movie (year released) **XXXXXX**

The last section (**XXXXXX**) is for a reviewer comment. Things like MUST SEE or FAVORITE MOVIE would be good.

REVIEWS
Try to keep your reviews ~300 words. Just give a quick, concise snapshot of your opinion on the movie and give a brief (non-spoiler) description of what the movie is about. If you are unsure that something might be a spoiler, it probably is. When in doubt, use the spoiler tag! Please try to stick to this template when you review:

[MOVIE RATING IMAGE] - the image for how many stars out of 5 you rated the movie
[MOVIE NAME & YEAR OF RELEASE] – just like the thread title but without the ** parts
[CAST LIST] – don’t need to list all the cast, just the big players
[IMD LINK] – not crazy about sending ppl AWAY from the site but we’ll see.
[MOVIE POSTER] – if you can find it
[SCREENCAPS or TRAILER] – post images from the movie or link to a vid (or both)
[REVIEW] – write your review. 300 words or so is encouraged.
[IN-DEPTH & SPOILERS] – put this section in the spoiler tags

SPOILERS
We all like to talk about what specifically we liked about the movies but that can really ruin things for the people that haven't seen the movie yet. So please, if you want to discuss specific plot elements or scenes, use the spoiler tag. Don't ruin the movie for others.

One last thing. NO SPOILERS!

[nameless]

also, i would refrain from posting images wider than ~800px. most people have the screen resolution for bigger but not everyone. do you guys think that's a good idea or should we just let reviewers post whatever they can find? for me it's a non issue because i will photoshop every image to the size i need, but not everyone knows how to do that.

[TK]

the rules and guidelines thing you wrote up looks great. You should make a new official thread to get stickied. I figure we'll need two official threads, the one with the rules and then the one with the links to the movies, which someone will need to constantly update.

I'll try to remember to resize my images too.

I'm also unsure if we should post the imdb link. I figure once the reader is in the thread they will read my review and not go straight to imdb. If they find my review lackluster or need to know more they can follow the link.

[TK]

friendly reminder to all those who said they would review.


Get on that shit.