so if the price of gas keeps going up, why do my oil changes stay the same price?

[cuntbutter]

after reading this thread:
http://forums.nonewbs.com/showthread.php?t=8523
this may sound stupid but, i am wondering, why is it that even though the cost of oil and gas is way up that i am still paying the exact same for my oil changes? i've gone to the same place for 6 years now and it's cost me exactly the same since day one. (with the exception of our tax going down, so it's actually a few cents cheaper).
i mean, if gas is a solid 45-50% more than it was 6 years ago and the cost of a barrel of crude is way the hell up, how is it that my X litres/quarts of oil is the same?

is it strictly the refining costs? it all comes from the same place doesn't it? :dunno::dunno:

[Dubbin]

if you went to the store and bought your oil you would notice the price has gone up. I don't have a awnser for the lube places though. :dunno:

[EliteLamer]

It is their business plan. Once they start losing money from low price oil changes they will raise the price.

[jjski78]

Chances are they wee making so much profit from using low grade recycled oil that even with the increase in oil prices they are still making a profit.

Now the real question here is: Why in the hell is my synthetic oil going up in cost??

[bdm]

The claim is the costs of manufacturing, that there is more cost in producing petrol compared to engine oils.

As for the costs of oil changes, I work in a dealership, our oil is delivered in bulk, and purchased at a certain price annually. Being that there is no direct competition for that bulk oil, the price remains relatively the same. I imagine that "jiffy lube" type places are on the same plan, only on a larger scale since oil changes are the majority of their business.

The costs of synthetics are based on greed, and, brand. When you go to a place to change your oil, synthetic is not purchased on the same level (amount) of bulk. So, theoretically, this oil price is dictated more directley by the manufacturer. Add to the fact that the place displays proudly that they will offer mobil1, castrol syntec ect. exclusively, they can jack the price.

And as stated before, if you change your own, you get screwed because you do not buy in bulk, and the manufacturer, plus the place you purchased it jack the price so they can make profit.

[Rob]

I'd expect a lot of places would to do oil changes at a loss if they had to, just to get people in the door so they can tell them about all the other shit wrong with their car.

[Toeshoes]

I'd expect a lot of places would to do oil changes at a loss if they had to, just to get people in the door so they can tell them about all the other shit wrong with their car.Good point. Jiffy Lube used to always try to sell me shit I didn't need. I'm glad I don't have to deal with that anymore.

[EliteLamer]

Yeah I change my own oil and I used to save soo much money but now it costs almost the same. The biggest reason I do it is because Jiffy Lube is know to leave plugs out, put oil filters in wrong, put wrong oil in cars and shit.

[Master Baiter]

i mean, if gas is a solid 45-50% more than it was 6 years ago and the cost of a barrel of crude is way the hell up, how is it that my X litres/quarts of oil is the same?

is it strictly the refining costs? it all comes from the same place doesn't it? :dunno::dunno:

The difference in price has to do with the refining process.
Crude oil has different molecule sizes. When crude oil is refined not all the molecules can be processed as petrol or gas.

[craakkhhedd]

the new issue of businessweek says that gas prices are up only because the gas companies want to raise it. In fact, there has been a decrease in demand for gas with more and more hybrid cars available and our gas reserves are higher now than ever before.

[Dezert Runner]

the new issue of businessweek says that gas prices are up only because the gas companies want to raise it. In fact, there has been a decrease in demand for gas with more and more hybrid cars available and our gas reserves are higher now than ever before.
I change my own oil. It can get pretty 'spensive.

[H.P.]

I change my own oil. It can get pretty 'spensive.if you are using dinosaur oil, buy the store brand. O'Reillys store brand is Pennzoil in a different bottle :oopsie:

[Dr. Petar]

if you are using dinosaur oil, buy the store brand. O'Reillys store brand is Pennzoil in a different bottle :oopsie:

Pennzoil (along with Quaker State) is the worst oil you can put in a car.

[SupraMan1990]

the new issue of businessweek says that gas prices are up only because the gas companies want to raise it. In fact, there has been a decrease in demand for gas with more and more hybrid cars available and our gas reserves are higher now than ever before.
Amen, and no one will stop them. Our political administration will NOT tell OPEC to fuck off because 90% of our politicians are what? I'll give you a hint, they are the ones supplying the oil, or doing something else crude related. Face it, this country and the world is built on greed, and until we get an administration in that isn't just a house of cards for the oil industry, prices will continue to go up at the rate they are.

[H.P.]

Pennzoil (along with Quaker State) is the worst oil you can put in a car.
blah blah blah wax wax wax. I've run it in several vehicles with no problems. I'm no noob to cars. Regular maintenance intervals offset any 'problems' the oil may cause

I've torn down motors run on pennzoil exclusively and there was no difference from any other dino oil

[Dr. Petar]

blah blah blah wax wax wax. I've run it in several vehicles with no problems. I'm no noob to cars. Regular maintenance intervals offset any 'problems' the oil may cause

I've torn down motors run on pennzoil exclusively and there was no difference from any other dino oil

cool. I've gotten my information from two separate petroleum engineers :)

[H.P.]

cool. I've gotten my information from two separate petroleum engineers :)

I > engineer

[jjski78]

Pennzoil (along with Quaker State) is the worst oil you can put in a car.

Back in the day, yes. They had a very high ash content that caused excessive sludge. Now they don't have it anymore, because people got edumacated, and the companies realized they weren't going to get away with selling sub-par products for full price. Add to that federal regulation, and you have a bunch of different bottles, with essentially the same shit in them. At least in terms of conventional oil. So if you use conventional, and you change your oil every 3k miles religiously, buy the cheapest shit you can find, put a good NAPA Gold/Wix/Purolator filter on it, and save yourself a little scratch.

[H.P.]

Back in the day, yes. They had a very high ash content that caused excessive sludge. Now they don't have it anymore, because people got edumacated, and the companies realized they weren't going to get away with selling sub-par products for full price. Add to that federal regulation, and you have a bunch of different bottles, with essentially the same shit in them. At least in terms of conventional oil. So if you use conventional, and you change your oil every 3k miles religiously, buy the cheapest shit you can find, put a good NAPA Gold/Wix/Purolator filter on it, and save yourself a little scratch.
I'll put cheap oil in, but its AC delco filters or bust

[jjski78]

I'll put cheap oil in, but its AC delco filters or bust

If you're running a GM, I say hell yeah. I personally use OEM filters myself whenever I can, but if I can't get to the dealer to buy one, NAPA Gold/WIX/Pure-One are my go-to filters. The Nissan and VW dealers aren't very conveniently located for me, so lately it has been one of those. Doesn't worry me though, synthetic Mobil-1 in my Nissan and Castrol Syntec in my VW every 5k keeps me sleeping well at night.

[H.P.]

If you're running a GM, I say hell yeah. I personally use OEM filters myself whenever I can, but if I can't get to the dealer to buy one, NAPA Gold/WIX/Pure-One are my go-to filters. The Nissan and VW dealers aren't very conveniently located for me, so lately it has been one of those. Doesn't worry me though, synthetic Mobil-1 in my Nissan and Castrol Syntec in my VW every 5k keeps me sleeping well at night.:werd:

Luckily, O'Reilly's stocks delco filters

[Dezert Runner]

if you are using dinosaur oil, buy the store brand. O'Reillys store brand is Pennzoil in a different bottle :oopsie:

Mobil 1 Synth

[Dezert Runner]

Mobil 1 Synth
and mobil 1 filters

[jjski78]

and mobil 1 filters

Paying too much for your filter. NAPA Gold and WIX are the same as the Mobil 1 at about 1/2 the price. Literally, the same, made in the same factory, by the same people, with the same components.

[Dezert Runner]

:oopsie:

[Hardin Young]

Mobil 1 at Walmart is like $20 for 5qt in the 5qt bottle. Add $5 for the filter and you save $12-18 off the synthetic oil change even at walmart.

Keep in mind, the cost of gas is also going up because we buy our oil overseas and the dollar is falling against pretty much every other currency.

Drill ANWR, the Dakotas, and the Gulf NOW!

[RotorBalls]

:werd:

Luckily, O'Reilly's stocks delco filtersDo they? I was in there a couple weeks ago and was disappointed in their selection. Went to napa and bought a gold

[jjski78]

Do they? I was in there a couple weeks ago and was disappointed in their selection. Went to napa and bought a gold

If you can't find the AC Delco filters at O'Reilly's check Autozone or Advance, they both carry them as well. But the NAPA Gold is an awesome filter too.

[Zeromancer]

:oopsie:
damn I can't stop starring at your av!
:bigthumb:

[The Howler]

The claim is the costs of manufacturing, that there is more cost in producing petrol compared to engine oils.

As for the costs of oil changes, I work in a dealership, our oil is delivered in bulk, and purchased at a certain price annually. Being that there is no direct competition for that bulk oil, the price remains relatively the same. I imagine that "jiffy lube" type places are on the same plan, only on a larger scale since oil changes are the majority of their business.

The costs of synthetics are based on greed, and, brand. When you go to a place to change your oil, synthetic is not purchased on the same level (amount) of bulk. So, theoretically, this oil price is dictated more directley by the manufacturer. Add to the fact that the place displays proudly that they will offer mobil1, castrol syntec ect. exclusively, they can jack the price.

And as stated before, if you change your own, you get screwed because you do not buy in bulk, and the manufacturer, plus the place you purchased it jack the price so they can make profit.
High gas prices are not increase in costs, they are increase in demand and increase in money supply (ie inflation)

[ilikecaps]

don't know if this has been stated, but alot of gas price increases are caused by refinery shortages in capacity more than raw oil price.

[netkilla]

think about it... whats more expensive.. a gallon of gas or a gallon of motor oil :hsugh:

motor oil is overpriced to begin with.. i can get a quart around 4 bucks lulz

[EliteLamer]

WiX is a really good oil filter, better than mobile 1 with more flow. Everyone complains about how little mobile 1 oil filters flow.

You are wasting so much money on syn oil unless you leave it in there for 15k miles.

[jjski78]

WiX is a really good oil filter, better than mobile 1 with more flow. Everyone complains about how little mobile 1 oil filters flow.

You are wasting so much money on syn oil unless you leave it in there for 15k miles.


Depends on the car, if you have an engine that is a sludge monster (VW 1.8T), you better change it every 5k. I used to run RP in my old '01 Galant for 12k miles. Guys at the auto shop on base would ask me why I was changing it because after that many miles, it would come out looking like brand new dino-oil. When I showed them what it looks like brand new, they scratched their heads like..WTF is that stuff? Gotta love hillbilly mechanics! I change the oil on my truck every 5k because the powertrain is still under warranty. When that runs out, in 4k miles, I'm gonna switch everything to RP and go with 12k intervals. But the wife's VW will still get it every 5k. I don't trust any oil to run more than that in a 1.8T with over 100k on it.